Why the Marvel Cinematic Universe feels empty

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  • Opublikowany 15 paź 2018
  • What makes a fictional universe good? In this requested episode of Overrated, Vox’s Phil Edwards explores the past and present of fictional universes to try to figure it out.
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    Fictional universes and crossovers have been around long before the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The Green Hornet radio show had a crossover with the Lone Ranger that kicked off the trend. In comics, the Marvel Universe started long before Stan Lee was at the helm.

    But these crossovers have a problem: They can privilege business relationships ahead of storytelling immersion and really interesting universes. As the Tommy Westphall Universe shows, crossovers often become a map of business decisions rather than of integrated fictional stories, and that leads to worse stories.

    This problem plagues the MCU as well. When Marvel engineers crossovers, they aren’t thinking about a universe transformed by superheroes - they just want more quips, explosions, and cash. Or at least that’s Edwards’s argument - do you think the MCU works?
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Komentarze • 22 511

  • Vox
    Vox  3 miesięcy temu +893

    You know that one font every comic book uses? Phil Edwards explains where it came from, and how it became so enduring: bit.ly/2EoOE6a

    • Jean-Nicolas Bourdon
      Jean-Nicolas Bourdon 18 godzin temu

      Melvin T I laughed way harder than I should have. Props

    • Devansh Jangid
      Devansh Jangid 6 dni temu +1

      +Sasuke They're trying to distract us! 🤣😂 That's such a cheap tactic

    • Intergalactic Studios
      Intergalactic Studios 8 dni temu

      plclip.com/video/niT5wCh5v7U/wideo.html this is why i clicked dislike

    • Tizian K.
      Tizian K. 10 dni temu

      Vox shut up and make actual points and not retarded clickbait.

    • Iman Ansori
      Iman Ansori 13 dni temu

      Vox need clear their minds.. MCU is so good.. It's not just about crossover, it's about an idea to bring together superhero to give us philosophy, inheritance, inspiration, motivation, extraordinary story architecture, and many other great things.

  • joseph liao
    joseph liao 6 godzin temu

    ?? Wtf is wrong with you

  • sabledawn
    sabledawn 14 godzin temu

    You're missing the entire point. Marvel Comics Universe is simply a brand. It is not, nor is it meant to be an actual universe in the world-building sense. The reason for that is that these are pop-culture blockbusters, not science fiction thought bubbles. If you want that, then go to a bookstore and pick up a good science fiction novel. I've written a few myself you can check out. Marvel is superhero fluff. All that is required is for the good guys to kick the bad guys' butts, and make us laugh along the way. With that in mind, Marvel does a stupendous job.
    If you want what the video implies is good, check out The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. It'll make you think while boring the taste out of your mouth.

  • sabledawn
    sabledawn 14 godzin temu

    That odd yellow background makes the presenter's eyes look yellow. I keep wondering when he caught hepatitis.

  • LightninLarry
    LightninLarry 17 godzin temu

    This video made me sick. These people had no clue what they were talking about

  • Beard Up Beer Down
    Beard Up Beer Down 19 godzin temu

    Do some research.

  • Tom Ripsin
    Tom Ripsin Dzień temu

    2:30 Superman and Batman were in the Justice Society of America together in the 40's. They obviously met before the 1960's.

  • Luka Talks Life
    Luka Talks Life Dzień temu

    In our universe they would work together it's world-ending potential

  • Gojimain 2014
    Gojimain 2014 Dzień temu

    The entire video contradicts itself every second

  • Dr. Paparoni
    Dr. Paparoni Dzień temu

    Only marvel movie that i liked was guardians of the galaxy vol.1

  • Game Player
    Game Player 2 dni temu

    What's the final answer? He didn't even talk about marvel for half the video. Seriously x-men universe? It was just x-men stories with some wolverine centric films. He's always saying that MCU is a business. Every movie is a business. MCU connects all the stories in the same universe with diverse story arcs which everyone enjoys except for some retards like you

  • McClellan Clark
    McClellan Clark 2 dni temu

    Vox feels empty

  • Brad Norris
    Brad Norris 2 dni temu

    Give me back my 9 minutes

  • Huey H
    Huey H 3 dni temu

    What just happened!!
    I hope this guy got fired and chased out of his home with pitchforks

  • Eleanor Maya
    Eleanor Maya 3 dni temu

    I rarely slap link videos, but you went past the line of no return.
    You're welcome. :)

  • Xochitpilli
    Xochitpilli 4 dni temu

    Vox wtf is this? LMAO

  • Chris 12
    Chris 12 4 dni temu +1

    6:49 literally everybody would care

  • TV Backup
    TV Backup 5 dni temu +2

    Damn you're trash. You might've talked more nonsense than Trump on twitter.

  • Rorschach Daws
    Rorschach Daws 5 dni temu +1

    Mcu movies sucks

  • MattheJ1
    MattheJ1 5 dni temu +1

    Hey, anyone want to buy a Vox sandwich? Here's how it works: you pay for a sandwich, Vox spends 9 minutes talking about how good their sandwiches are, and then you don't get a sandwich.

  • Dimitris Polimeros
    Dimitris Polimeros 6 dni temu +1

    Listen (im referring to anyone who reads the comments or MCU sceptics) if you want to learn why the MCU is not as great as everyone says it is, just watch E;R's review of Deadpool part 1 and 2. He analyses the movie itself but he also expresses his opinion on the entire MCU (it's world-building, power level variability etc.). I personally don't agree with some of his arguments, but it's still much better than Vox's video.

  • Shock Puls
    Shock Puls 6 dni temu +1

    Who told you this was a good idea?

  • Jason W
    Jason W 6 dni temu +2

    Did this guy even watch any of the movies? It sounds like he’s just heard all of the complaints of the MCU and put them into a poorly researched video.

  • Iron Flash711
    Iron Flash711 6 dni temu

    Its called same marvel universe they all share a universe and it's not the disney cinmatic universe so no star wars

  • ewan hennessy
    ewan hennessy 6 dni temu

    Finally, someone who gets it.

  • Rory Wicks
    Rory Wicks 6 dni temu +1

    VOX, this is one of the poorest attempts at making really good points on how the MCU can improve. And some if not most of the criticisms made by Phil are that "empty". Please go back to the drawing board for this one.

  • Jensen Raylight
    Jensen Raylight 7 dni temu +1

    nah, you can't convince me to hate marvel just with "why MCU feels empty",
    and i still wondering, which part in the video that explains the emptiness of MCU
    i don't think MCU are overrated, they deserve it
    it's their hard work, and people get entertained with it

  • Super_ Sanne
    Super_ Sanne 7 dni temu +2

    Lol i just use these video's as background noise 😂

  • 09hk98
    09hk98 7 dni temu +1

    Where are all the DC fans?

  • Lionsgate Black Label
    Lionsgate Black Label 7 dni temu +2

    Report this for "Hateful and Abusive Content". CALLING ALL MARVEL FANS!!

  • FutureScarletSpider
    FutureScarletSpider 7 dni temu +1

    Likes are Dc fans

  • Erlendor
    Erlendor 8 dni temu +1

    When I hear Tommy Westfall, I, for some reason, think Tommy Weasau. I almost expect an "Oh hi Mark!" to appear in the video

  • NoAudioBro
    NoAudioBro 8 dni temu +1

    The only mistake was this video

  • Noah Pfister
    Noah Pfister 8 dni temu +1

    Hey, Vox, how bout you make a movie of your own? Then we’ll pointlessly criticize it for 10 minutes.

  • Riley Griffin
    Riley Griffin 9 dni temu +1

    Update: I had to stop watching when he said no one would care about a Star Wars avengers crossover👋🏻👋🏻

  • Riley Griffin
    Riley Griffin 9 dni temu +1

    What kinda crack is this channel on😂😂 “if you added aquaman to an avengers poster or Hawkeye to a justice league poster no one would care”💀💀

  • Vincent Karnik
    Vincent Karnik 9 dni temu +1

    Everyone go watch Captain Midnight’s video on this it actually tells the truth about the MCU not that it’s empty but how it’s not and how Vox are retarded and shouldn’t ever take a shot at the mcu ever again

  • Jem Midgley
    Jem Midgley 9 dni temu +1

    Much like your writers forgot to do their research, I think your editors forgot to colour grade the footage.

  • Han Shot First
    Han Shot First 9 dni temu +1

    -The Grinch

  • Han Shot First
    Han Shot First 9 dni temu +1

    "Not only are you wrong, but you're stupid, and you're ugly, just like ya mum."
    -The cat in the hat

  • Nick Reineck
    Nick Reineck 9 dni temu +1

    This video sounds like it was made by people who only watched the trailers to some of the MCU movies. And even then, not all the way through.
    Not liking the MCU is an opinion you're allowed to have, it's ok. Flaunting your massive superiority complex with one of the worst researched video "essays" I've ever seen, is not.

  • Bastardson OfJefferson
    Bastardson OfJefferson 10 dni temu +1

    Vox video essays are overrated. Release the NerdWriter!

  • Ben Phillips
    Ben Phillips 10 dni temu +1

    I assume you're familiar with it, yes? Yeah, this ain't that, chief.

  • MrVideoKid: Extra Channel

    Why this Vox Video feels empty

  • Lord Snoke
    Lord Snoke 11 dni temu +2

    Borring a few minutes of nothing and then he starts to talk about the topic. I only came here from sin sin video. And the MCU is great and thanos is awesome dislike.

  • SuccessNet
    SuccessNet 11 dni temu +1

    This just gave me stage 5 cancer. Thanks VOX.

  • Corine Volkerink
    Corine Volkerink 12 dni temu +1

    This video is a mess lol. what's ur point?

  • Julio Lenin
    Julio Lenin 12 dni temu +1

    Well, with all your amazing content there should be at least a sloppy one that clearly doesn't know what it's talking about.

  • Rug Rats
    Rug Rats 12 dni temu

    Uh vox, wyd

  • Suq Madiq
    Suq Madiq 12 dni temu +2

    This video is the reason why I UNsubscribed from Vox

  • Suq Madiq
    Suq Madiq 12 dni temu +2

    Your arguments are illogical and poorly researched. I’m honestly not trying to be mean but you’re just not smart enough to get it

  • Steven Smith
    Steven Smith 12 dni temu +1

    Overrated!!!! You high?

  • Chief
    Chief 12 dni temu +3

    I’m sad because I actually was hoping this video would objectively and accurately criticize the mcu in a climate where people are sort of afraid to but you didn’t present a good case for the argument at all whatsoever. Guess I should’ve known this would be clickbait when he said it wasn’t clickbait 😑

  • Matthew Lakes
    Matthew Lakes 13 dni temu

    OF COURSE THE UNIVERSE IS STILL GOING u just backed up my comment vox:" it's gonna get at least 20 more more movies" so THAT MEANS THE UNIVERSE IS STILL GOING

  • Amal Roy
    Amal Roy 13 dni temu +1

    The like and dislike ratio is proof enough😒

  • Under Galaxy
    Under Galaxy 13 dni temu +1

    I have an idea. Explain why you think the mcu isn't cohesive. You are just showing us why cinematic universes don't work as a whole, not what fails in this one. And if you ask me, you can just WATCH the movies and understand the plot.

  • Volt 56 the second time
    Volt 56 the second time 13 dni temu +1


  • Dumisani Tsotetsi
    Dumisani Tsotetsi 13 dni temu +1

    06:00 is the premise for this whole video. He is job hunting.

  • Joseph A. H.
    Joseph A. H. 14 dni temu +2

    *looks at like/dislike ratio*
    To feel so desperately that you're right, yet to fail nonetheless.

  • Bugsy !
    Bugsy ! 14 dni temu +2

    Personally I think the MCU is overrated, but this video is just bad.

  • ilovepizza001
    ilovepizza001 14 dni temu +2

    The MCU is the reason why Spider-Man and Wolverine aren't the only Marvel superheroes that are mainstream. It helped Marvel for the better.

  • maxmetalknight
    maxmetalknight 14 dni temu +1

    Even if MCU is not developed enough, it's definitely more developed than other attempts of launching cinematic universe by other companies. Especially X-Men, who basically had to retcon everything by introducing timeline changes.

  • John Hammenjr
    John Hammenjr 15 dni temu +1

    you are an absolute disgrace! this was nonsense and honestly feels like pandering to a certain type of audience which is most likely mentally deficient. If this isnt trolling or clickbait then you should really reevaluate so many things in your life because you have no business reviewing anything in the world of art or pop culture.

  • RyGuyBoi
    RyGuyBoi 15 dni temu +2

    It is painfully obvious you have no enjoyment in your life.

  • Matthew Morcos
    Matthew Morcos 15 dni temu +2

    Who’s here just to dislike from SinsSins

  • Samantha Shugars
    Samantha Shugars 15 dni temu

    The actual real universe is still in development too

  • Samantha Shugars
    Samantha Shugars 15 dni temu

    Clearly written by a non-comics fan haha I love this stuff and it’s exciting even when it’s only done passingly well and marvel does it WAY better than any other modern franchise

  • Jericho Jack
    Jericho Jack 15 dni temu

    I get what you were trying to go for but..this ain't it chief. This ain't it.

  • Chalago STR
    Chalago STR 15 dni temu

    This video sucks... That's all I am gonna say.

  • systematic101
    systematic101 16 dni temu

    in order for vox to make those claims they must have not watched the movies or read the comics. Pimps response makes sense. he doesn't get a long with Stark anyway. The core of Civil War was exactly about the damages super power beings cause. That's what created the accords.

  • Billy Bergmann
    Billy Bergmann 16 dni temu

    Nice attempt. But this didn’t work at all.

  • Article 69
    Article 69 16 dni temu

    I dont think he understands that they are all from the same property and universe hence why he talked about star wars cross overs

    😂😂I think he actually might think marvel is just a movie studio not a comic and the characters are picked from random comics and shows

  • Kami Tora
    Kami Tora 16 dni temu

    Yikes. Those dislikes :D

  • Scrongul
    Scrongul 17 dni temu

    First you said dumb and stupid bs about peweiepie, now you’re saying dumb and stupid bs about the mcu.

  • Rudy Rampage
    Rudy Rampage 17 dni temu +1

    So true when thanos killed half the avengers in avengers 3 I felt nothing. Because I know they are going bring them back to life in avengers 4. However I can see captain or iron man dying in avengers 4. Those are the only two interesting characters in the mcu.

  • thu Le
    thu Le 17 dni temu +1


  • Aqila Rindipati
    Aqila Rindipati 17 dni temu

    Woww, i cant believe someone made a 10 minute long video full of crappy bullshit

  • Chupacadabra
    Chupacadabra 17 dni temu

    6:15-6:30 Suuuure...it's not like characters from different movies in the MCU have interacted with each other, resulting in multiple plots, characters that are grounded in reality as much as they do things that wouldn't be the norm in the real world that were created by an interwoven universe that goes beyond a few easter eggs and created several story telling possibilities yet to come that don't need all the developement in the world along with style changing with Deadpool and the GTOG movies in order to make the universe feel grounded and not as bare bones as a business strategy to sell action figures......right?


  • Simon Blomberg
    Simon Blomberg 17 dni temu +1

    At multiple points in this video all i thought was "sooooo....????". What point are they trying to make? What is the conclusion going to be? But the answer never came. You would just jump to the next "criticism" without really making one at all. By the time you started about merchandise all i thought was "This video is poorly constructed and confusing", which is a shame. Especially because you are trying to criticise something that many people not only poured a lot of work and dedication into, but also something many people really enjoy and like a lot. Maybe you had good points in mind, maybe there was a genuine intention to point out actual flaws in the mcu, but if that is the case than they were completely lost through the messy construction of this video essay.

  • ________ ________
    ________ ________ 18 dni temu +1

    "If you have an idea that you genuinely think is good, don't let some idiot steal it from you." - Stan Lee

  • madhu sai
    madhu sai 18 dni temu

    Whoh, incoming thrashers

  • no
    no 18 dni temu

    So you're saying the X-Men films make more sense? Try looking at the timeline for both franchises

  • Luke Roy
    Luke Roy 18 dni temu +1

    My sister who was born two months ago could make better arguments

  • AlexValdez 34
    AlexValdez 34 18 dni temu

    Screw u

  • Wesley Geyer
    Wesley Geyer 18 dni temu

    This is like when that dude from The Verge tried to build a PC when he had no idea how to build a PC...

  • Richard Roberson
    Richard Roberson 18 dni temu

    You are a f****ing idiot, you say there is now meaning to the easter eggs and crossovers, but that is what makes everything so connected, who the f**** cares if there is a little messed up continuity. They do what they can.

  • Jon McIntire
    Jon McIntire 19 dni temu

    Yes, yes, and yes. I’m in total agreement with every observation made in this video.

  • PotPlant7
    PotPlant7 19 dni temu

    Who knew you could get stage 4 cancer from a PLclip video

  • DeadEyeDon
    DeadEyeDon 20 dni temu +1

    Vox, please don't ever try to do something that requires brain power again.

  • Hellefleur
    Hellefleur 20 dni temu

    Video starts at 9:38

  • Chattyword 11037
    Chattyword 11037 21 dzień temu

    Butt-hurt marvel fans, can’t take criticism, even though it literally took almost 20 movies to get to infinity war which was just a “shock factor” make you feel like you actually cared about these characters for the last 15 years.

  • Ice Wolf
    Ice Wolf 21 dzień temu

    So much clickbait

  • Chef Niyi
    Chef Niyi 21 dzień temu

    Who said that???

  • Pixel Donkey
    Pixel Donkey 21 dzień temu

    How does this relate to marvel
    Vox: ( throws logic )

  • Pixel Donkey
    Pixel Donkey 21 dzień temu +1

    Got more dislikes than likes

  • Triforce Obtained
    Triforce Obtained 21 dzień temu

    Making this video must have been like walking into a fire.

  • Patrick Bateman
    Patrick Bateman 22 dni temu

    S O Y B O Y

  • Sad Jewish Boii
    Sad Jewish Boii 22 dni temu

    Sorry but you don’t know what your talking about

  • TFG_ 85
    TFG_ 85 22 dni temu

    Anything just to squeeze more of that marvel money